Tyler/Camille Paglia, “Conversations with Tyler” (Full episode list + notes)

  • Marshall McLuhan = her patron saint of working on the web; prophetic views of what was coming; the last tech guru she liked

  • *****Book: Glittering images*****

  • There’s an avalanche of fragmented visual impressions; disconnected, glaring, tacky, badly designed, that young people are growing up in

    • Children’s brains are being reshaped***

    • Standard forms for logic/sequential information/reasoning are disappearing (!!!!)

    • It’s getting worse and worse

    • Web design is in the pits; the miniaturization of image is terrible

    • Hollywood used to depict giant visual images (ex: Egypt; Lawrence of Arabia); no longer

    • Young ppl have no sense of the expansive, the large; the gesture

    • Cultures always move in cycles

    • Some periods esteem the Colossal; others highlight the small (Baroque vs. Rococo)

    • “I have an epic imagination because I was raised watching “The Ten Commandments” and Ben Hur

    • Not just the images; the music too

  • We’re moving inexorably into the future; there’s no “returning”

  • A true intellectual should always be beyond partisanship; always critiquing the premises of your friends/allies

  • Brazil = polygon of cultures/ethnicities; Brazilians understood her work best; understood artifice/art; baroque exuberance; beauty as an incredibly important human principle; grandeur or nature

  • Anyone who claims climate chain is brining about the end of the world doesn’t understand the grandeur/power of nature; to think we can make a change to it is “absolutely absurd”

  • Brazil is in its own world; no history of world wars; no messianic view of itself politically; “Brazil is like another planet”

  • George Lucas = greatest artist of our time

  • Rolling stone were inspired by the Blues; darker than the Beatles

    • Arena concerts aren’t musical experiences; they’re social experiences

    • Musicians with talent nowadays aren’t being developed; they have nothing to draw on

  • There are certain magic moments of fertility of creativity in many arts; certain key moments with confluence of influences; a certain richness

  • In that very moment it’s a great time to be alive; to be young

  • Ex: Shakespeare wouldn’t be Shakespeare if he were alive today; happened to live during a few decades of theater flourishing

  • There’s a certain type of luck; right person, right time

    • [I believe we’re in one of those times today!]

Education

  • Minerva education - four years, each year in a different country

  • Right now - primary school education is appalling in world history/world geography

    • “It is unbelievable how little they know; it’s a recipe for disaster”

    • “I don’t believe this online education thing at all; you need a live person who can respond to the moment extemporaneously

  • Teaching in Ivy League is too much “practicing to be pretentious”; “A- seminars”; making people feel good about themselves; they’re so proud of themselves as they produce these “polished, witless, bourgeois clones” (!)

  • Faulkner used to be everywhere; feminists in the ‘70s —> great sweeping away of Faulkner, Hemingway, D.H. Lawrence; young people aren’t reading them or many of the great authors

  • Yoko Ohno = “one of my least favorite people in the universe (!)”; blame her for Beatles breakup

  • Innovative in 60s art but a “dreary, humorless person”

  • T: Paglia focuses on metaphysics

  • C: “I have absolutely zero interest in contemporary fiction”; they’re off in their own world; their English is stale; “anything pre-contemporary I’m an admirer of”

  • All these whiny, supersensitive people on campus who shriek at the slightest offenses is b/c the parents have not prepared them for real life; raised in “bourgeois, pampered cocoon”

  • “Assimilation is almost always a loss” (ex: Italian Americans) (!)

  • Problem right now = the masculine has no honor in our culture; academics say gender is a “construct”

    • If you have weak men, you can have weak women; anything remotely masculine is identified as toxic

    • “Working class culture retains an idea of the masculine”; must have strong women to deal with masculine men

  • T: What’s the healthiest segment of American society?

    • C: There’s been a tremendous flattening; very little of substance/interest being produced in art and culture; retro period; chopping up everything from past and putting it through the grinder again

    • Canada = the “idea of consensus”; same with Norway; no one’s allowed to hold a distinct opinion

    • Everyone’s civil in Canada but you can’t make big gestures/rise above the heard

  • “My early period was failure, flop, inability to get published…career = nothingness and then everything”

  • Trying to show politicization of ethnic/racial studies has been very limiting

    • Eternal; projection of genocide/disaster onto Native American studies limits view of their religious, metaphysical vision and focus on nature

  • We don’t know as much about Northeast Indians compared to plains, Navajo, Pac NW

  • 2nd-wave feminism revived in 1967 with Betty Friedan; “I hated it”; they wouldn’t have me b/c I wouldn’t badmouth men

  • Women like Amelia Earhart didn’t bad-mouth men; 2nd wave feminists constantly criticized the patriarchy

  • Gloria Steinem: “She’s a fraud, that woman, fraud”

  • Academic conferences overlay the same ideas

  • “I listen to conversations in the shopping mall; people calling into sports radio; “it’s fantastic”

    • My writing voice is very influenced by how English is spoken today on radio; high-impact kind of a sound

  • I replaced LSD with lamb vindaloo

  • C: LSD gave vision, but deprived ppl of ability to translate that vision into material form

    • She never tried it “thank God”

    • “I feel like I took LSD because of the music”

    • Bathing at Baxters, 8 miles high - Jefferson Airplanes

  • Social History of Art by Arnold Hauser = one of my biggest influences

    • Marxism lacks largest vision of the universe; it doesn’t even see nature; only society

    • All these graduates of elite schools can’t see the big ideas

    • “My generation was all into cosmic consciousness; influenced by eastern religions”

    • To have true multiculturalism you must present world cultures

  • “The people who’s ideas I admire are long dead”

    • I’m alone. The ppl who should’ve been writing interesting quirky books as I do are dead, or their brains were destroyed on LSD

    • I knew so many brilliant minds in grad school; I had great hopes for what they would do, but they couldn’t get anything done; they didn’t have the resilience to continue against obstacles

  • I’m not to big a fan of travel; I’m a mind traveler

  • Foucault = a windbag; “he is nothing”

    • Every gender studies department is “impregnated” with Foucault; “That’s why we have grad students that know nothing”

  • “I try to keep to reality; the basis of my work is the closeness with which I live to ordinary life”

  • I hate the elites; I hate parties

  • Susan Sontag was a “great dirigible luminary” floating above realitY

    • She loved to hold court at dinner parties

    • Her work got less and less meaningful over time

    • She was detached from ordinary life

    • When you’re a teacher, the students don’t care what you’ve written; it keeps you tethered to ordinary life; at Harvard/Yale the grad students hold court to you b/c they need letters of rec

    • She’s not treated like a queen; she’s ordinary

    • Good for writers to have a job where you deal with constant frustrations/problems; “I think that’s really good for you”

    • Every time you have frustrations with your job say “this is good, this is reality”

    • Constantly observe and jot things down. Constantly

      • I never say “this is important, this is not important”

      • At Yale grad school I lost credibility thru my endorsement of Hollywood

    • Follow your own instincts/intuition; something meaningful there…keep it on back burner

    • Tell her students: NOTHING IS BORING

      • If you’re bored, you’re boring (!!!)

      • Always see what opportunity there is for observing something more

    • The library was my shrine

    • I’ve learned a great deal from historians/commentators of the past

      • Writing on art was extremely erudite and beautiful…..until 1960s…..by 1980s/1990s ppl at top schools are “pygmies”

      • Foundations of art classes (survey classes) have been abandoned wholesale

        • No teaching of narratives of art/big picture b/c all narratives are regarded as imperialistic fictions; the entire story of art isn’t possible; therefore ppl know nothing

    • “I belong to a dissident wing of feminism”

      • We won in the 90s thanks to Madonna (we won over the Steinhem politburo)

    • Now, Steinhem has returned

    • What musical heroes represent on screen is an artificial construction; I’m not that interested in meeting my musical heroes

      • I understand the mundane real self and the artistic self within the “Temenos” (sacred precinct) of art

    • Elizabeth Taylor represented pure sexuality that had been repressed in the 50s/60s

      • I had so many phenomenal images of women I was inundated with in high school and college

      • Today - “Taylor Swift? Oh my God she is such a fake. Fake fake fake”

        • Rihann’s instagrams are “a work of art”

    • Actual cases of gender pay gaps are rare

      • If women are earning $0.72 on the dollar, it’s not for the same job; it’s the averages of women overall (women of their own volition take jobs with more flexibility)

      • Ex: women tend to shy away from commissioned sales jobs where they’re on the road a lot

    • Steinem feminists have one answer: “men must do more!”

    • Respect for/interest in language is degenerating

      • Young people have no concern for language; the way they communicate is very truncated; web writing has degenerated horribly

      • Space limits of newspapers/magazines forced you to condense; gave a kind of crispness for language

    • “I’m an equal opportunity feminist”

      • Huge areas of our life are in the private sphere; government there is intrusive

      • Feminism has made enormous gains

      • Women can be self-supporting

      • Capitalism made women’s emancipation possible

      • Young women have been taught to identify own personal unhappiness with men

    • Part of problem = thousands of years, mating occurred early

      • Now - mechanical system of professional world that has emerged to replace agrarian period where women had a natural sense of solidarity together (world of women + world of men)